Marikana. PETER DUKES ALEXANDER
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Interviewer: Were you a shaft steward just for your department, or on the mine itself? How were you organised as an NUM branch?
JM: For the department, on the surface. You’ve got your branch executive and your shaft steward council. One branch covers one colliery.
Interviewer: And then workers would take their grievance to this shaft steward?
JM: Yes, to the shaft steward. And then shaft steward to the council, because we do have our ‘during-the-week meetings’, [collecting] all the grievances from different department[s]. Then we go to the mass meeting. We tell them what’s happening; then we formulate an agenda to meet with management.
Interviewer: And these days is there complete separation between AMCU and NUM on each of the mines, or are there places where they come together, as shaft stewards perhaps?
JM: We are completely separate. NUM will have their shaft steward council and AMCU will have its own. And the only [place] where we meet together, it’s where we are dealing with issues like health and safety, employment equity and all those forums, because those are the legislated forums, which don’t define a union. But where we are the majority, so AMCU will run the show; in as much [as] NUM is the majority, then they will run the show.
Interviewer: Let’s go back to your NUM days.
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