to do with trying to get him out of jail?
Mrs. Oswald. No.
He was only there for 24 hours. He paid his fine and left. He said that the policeman who talked to him was very kind, and was a very good person.
Mr. Rankin. While you were in New Orleans, did you get to know the Murrets?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes. They are his relatives. I think that Lee engaged in this activity primarily for purposes of self-advertising. He wanted to be arrested. I think he wanted to get into the newspapers, so that he would be known.
Mr. Rankin. Do you think he wanted to be advertised and known as being in support of Cuba before he went to Cuba?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. Do you think he thought that would help him when he got to Cuba?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. Did he tell you anything about that, or is that just what you guess?
Mrs. Oswald. He would collect the newspaper clippings about his—when the newspapers wrote about him, and he took these clippings with him when he went to Mexico.
Mr. Rankin. Did the Murrets come to visit you from time to time in New Orleans?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes—sometimes they came to us, and sometimes we went to them.
Mr. Rankin. Was that a friendly relationship?
Mrs. Oswald. I would say that they were more of a family relationship type. They were very good to us. His uncle, that is the husband of his aunt, was a very good man. He tried to reason with Lee after that incident. Lee liked them very much as relatives but he didn't like the fact that they were all very religious.
When his uncle, or, again, the husband of his aunt would tell him that he must approach things with a more serious attitude, and to worry about himself and his family, Lee would say, "Well, these are just bourgeois, who are only concerned with their own individual welfare."
Mr. Krimer. The word Mrs. Oswald used is not quite bourgeois, but it is a person of a very narrow viewpoint who is only concerned with his own personal interests, inclined to be an egotist.
Mr. Rankin. Did you hear the discussion when the uncle talked about this Fair Play for Cuba and his activities?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. What did the uncle say to your husband about that?
Mrs. Oswald. At that time. I did not know English too well, and Lee would not interpret for me. He only nodded his head. But I knew that he did not agree with his uncle. His uncle said that he condemned that kind of activity.
Mr. Rankin. What was your husband's attitude about your learning English?
Mrs. Oswald. He never talked English to me at home, and did not give me any instruction. This was strictly my own business. But he did want me to learn English. But that was my own concern. I had to do that myself somehow. That is the truth.
Mr. Rankin. Did any of your Russian friends visit you at New Orleans?
Mrs. Oswald. No.
Mr. Rankin. Outside of the Murrets, were there some people from New Orleans that visited you at your home in New Orleans?
Mrs. Oswald. Once or twice a woman visited who was a friend of Ruth Paine's. Ruth Paine has written her. She had written to Ruth Paine to find out whether she knew any Russians there. And once or twice this woman visited us. But other than that, no one.
Mr. Rankin. What was the name of this woman?
Mrs. Oswald. I don't remember. I only remember that her first name is also Ruth.
Mr. Rankin. Did your husband have friends of his that visited you there at New Orleans?
Mrs. Oswald. No, never.
Once some time after Lee was arrested, on a Saturday or a Sunday morning, a man came early and questioned Lee about the activity of the allegedly existing organization, which really did not exist. Because in the newspaper accounts Lee was described as a member and even the leader of that organization, which in reality did not exist at all.
Mr. Rankin. Do you know who that was?
Mrs. Oswald. No, I don't. I asked Lee who that was, and he said that is probably some anti-Cuban, or perhaps an FBI agent. He represented himself as a man who was sympathetic to Cuba but Lee did not believe him.
Mr. Rankin. Did your husband ever tell you what he told the FBI agent when they came to the jail to see him?
Mrs. Oswald. No.
Mr. Rankin. After you wrote Mrs. Paine, did she come at once in response to your letter to take you back to Dallas?
Mrs. Oswald. Not quite at once. She came about a month later. She apparently was on vacation at that time, and said that she would come after her vacation.
Mr. Rankin. Didn't she indicate that she was going to come around September 30, and then came a little before that?
Mrs. Oswald. No. In her letter to me she indicated that she would come either the 20th or the 21st of September, and she did come at that time.
Mr. Rankin. Did you move your household goods in her station wagon at that time?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes.
Mr. Rankin. Do you know whether or not the rifle was carried in the station wagon?
Mrs. Oswald. Yes, it was.
Mr. Rankin. Did you have anything to do with loading it in there?
Mrs. Oswald. No. Lee was loading everything on because I was pregnant at the time. But I know that Lee loaded the rifle on.
Mr. Rankin. Was the rifle carried in some kind of a case when you went back with Mrs. Paine?
Mrs. Oswald. After we arrived. I tried to put the bed, the child's crib together, the metallic parts, and I looked for a certain part, and I came upon something wrapped in a blanket. I thought that was part of the bed, but it turned out to be the rifle.
Mr. Rankin. Do you remember whether the pistol was carried back in Mrs. Paine's car too?
Mrs. Oswald. I don't know where the pistol was.
Mr. Rankin. Before you went back to Mrs. Paine's house, did you discuss whether you would be paying her anything for board and room?
Mrs. Oswald. She proposed that I again live with her on the same conditions as before. Because this was more advantageous for her than to pay a school. She received better instruction that way.
In any case, she didn't spend any extra money for me—she didn't spend any more than she usually spent.
Mr. Rankin. Did you give her lessons in Russian?
Mrs. Oswald. No, these were not quite lessons. It was more in the nature of conversational practice. And then I also helped her to prepare
