Oswald. To the best of my recollection, he was, sir.
Mr. Jenner. No mustache, no beard?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Jenner. What else did you notice about his appearance? How did he part his hair? Do you recall?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. Jenner. Do you recall whether he did part it?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I do not. I believe this to be correct—that I never did get any higher than looking at Mr. Paine's eyes, and I do not believe I looked at his hair or above his eyes at any time.
Mr. Jenner. How long were you with Mr. Paine on that occasion?
Mr. Oswald. Approximately five minutes.
Mr. Jenner. Had you ever seen Mr. Paine subsequently thereto?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir, I have.
Mr. Jenner. On how many occasions?
Mr. Oswald. On one other occasion, sir.
Mr. Jenner. When?
Mr. Oswald. This would be approximately a Sunday afternoon in the middle of December 1963.
Mr. Jenner. That would be approximately a week after you made this entry?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir. In the presence of Mr. Jim H. Martin, and Mr. John Thorne. We traveled from Mr. Martin's home to the Paines' house in Irving to pick up Marina's and Lee's clothes that were still there.
Mr. Jenner. Still at the Paines' home?
Mr. Oswald. Still at the Paines' home. I saw Mr. and Mrs. Paine again on that day—I mean at that time. That was my second and only time I have ever seen them. Mr. and Mrs. Paine helped gather up the belongings of Marina and the children and Lee's personal belongings that were still there.
Mr. Jenner. To make it clear, Mr. Oswald, did Mr. Paine accompany you with Mr. Martin and Mr. Thorne to the Paine home, or did you meet Mr. Paine when you arrived there?
Mr. Oswald. We met Mr. Paine and Mrs. Paine on our arrival at their home in Irving, Texas.
Mr. Jenner. How long were you there?
Mr. Oswald. Approximately 45 minutes to an hour.
Mr. Jenner. How was he clothed on that occasion?
Mr. Oswald. In a sport shirt and a pair of slacks, sir.
Mr. Jenner. And how was he clothed on the occasion that you record here on page 6?
Mr. Oswald. I believe also at that time, sir, that he had a sport shirt on and a pair of slacks, and perhaps a sport jacket or jacket of some type.
Mr. Jenner. Was his head covered on either occasion?
Mr. Oswald. No. sir, it was not.
Mr. Jenner. What did you notice, if anything, as to whether he had straight hair or a full head of hair on him? Was he bald?
You have already said you don't recall the color of his hair, am I correct on that?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
In referring to the second meeting of Mr. Paine and myself, in reference to his hair, I would say his hair was practically a full set of hair, dark and short.
Mr. Jenner. When you say short, you mean cut short, or a crew cut?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir, just cut short.
Mr. Jenner. How do you describe your own head of hair, as to its cut? Is it cut short?
Mr. Oswald. Presently, I would describe wearing mine at a medium length, for myself.
Mr. McKenzie. How about Mr. Jenner's?
Mr. Oswald. I would describe his as being in medium length.
Mr. Jenner. I think you are right.
Mr. Dulles. May I ask one question there?
Had you known prior to November 22d that Marina was living with Mrs. Paine?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Dulles. You had not known that before November 22d?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, I did not.
Mr. Jenner. Did you know at the time you were introduced to Mr. Paine?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. Jenner. And you had become advised in that respect by whom?
Mr. Oswald. By Mrs. Paine.
Mr. Jenner. Are those the only two occasions you have had any contact with Mr. Paine?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Would you describe her, please?
Mr. Oswald. A tall woman, approximately 110 pounds—and by tall I mean approximately 5 foot 11, or 6 feet in height.
Mr. Jenner. Weighing only 110 pounds?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir, very slender. A slender face, also—not a full face.
Mr. Jenner. When you say also, are you now referring to Mr. Paine?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I was referring to my statement that Mrs. Paine was slender, and also that she was slender in the face.
Mr. Jenner. All right. Thank you.
Mr. Oswald. Long hair, I believe to be brown in color.
Mr. Jenner. How did she do her hair, was it in braids?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir. I believe it was just hanging down long.
Mr. Jenner. When you say long, how long?
Mr. Oswald. Shoulder height.
Mr. Jenner. Mr. Oswald, would you accommodate us—not to do it now, but at noontime, if you have the time, to read through, your diary to the court reporter, because some of the writing I have difficulty interpreting. The Commission would appreciate it if you would interpret your own writing on the exhibit.
Mr. Oswald. All right, sir. I understand that you want me to read the entire diary, is that correct?
Mr. Jenner. Yes, to the court reporter—as part of the record, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Dulles. You may proceed.
Mr. Jenner. What kind of a student were you, Mr. Oswald?
Mr. Oswald. I believe my average in school was—if I may, sir, ask you—are you talking about my over-all average?
Mr. Jenner.
