No, sir; this is an assumption on my part—the way he put it to me.
Mr. Jenner. And they proceeded from there directly to New York Harbor, New York City.
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. Jenner. By what means? And he did report that to you?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Did this series of letters you received in the early portion, period of his stay in Russia excite your suspicions as to whether he was or might be a Russian agent?
Mr. Oswald. If I understand the question correctly this was the early stay of his in Russia in 1959?
Mr. Jenner. Yes, sir, 1959 and let us say to the early part of 1961.
Mr. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Did you have any occasion to discuss that subject during this period of time with your mother or she with you?
Mr. Oswald. Prior to his return in 1961 she did discuss this with me.
Mr. Jenner. All right.
Where did this discussion take place?
Mr. Oswald. If I may fix the date approximately, sir, if you could give me the date of her trip to Washington, D.C.
Mr. Jenner. You have me at a disadvantage because Mr. Liebeler has been called out and he can furnish that. I don't want to guess at it.
Mr. McKenzie. May I then ask if possibly the Chairman might recall?
Mr. Dulles. The date of that visit to Washington?
Mr. McKenzie. Yes, sir.
Mr. Dulles. No, I don't think I do.
Mr. McKenzie. Possibly Mr. Rankin might know.
Mr. Jenner. Our information was that that was January 26, 1961.
Mr. Oswald. Thank you, sir. If I may have, the question again, please.
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Mr. Jenner. Whether the suspicions, on the part of yourself or your mother, were that your brother was or might be an agent for the Russian Government.
Mr. Oswald. Pardon me, sir, I believe I misunderstood. I thought it was in reference to whether or not Lee might have been an agent of the United States Government.
Mr. Jenner. No. It was the Russian Government I asked about.
Mr. Oswald. I am sorry, sir. At no time was any discussion that I have been into indicated that in any way.
Mr. Jenner. Now, you have referred then to, or had in mind, a conversation with your mother as to whether your brother was an agent of the United States Government.
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. Jenner. And are you able to fix the time of that discussion now having been supplied with the date when your mother visited Washington?
Mr. Oswald. Approximately the spring of 1961.
Mr. Jenner. Several months following her visit to Washington in January, 1961.
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Where did that discussion take place?
Mr. Oswald. I believe this was a telephone conversation, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Did you call her or did she call you?
Mr. Oswald. She called me, sir.
Mr. Jenner. And you recognized her voice, did you?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir, I did.
Mr. Jenner. What did she say on the subject?
Mr. Oswald. That she told me briefly about her trip to Washington, and that she, as she put it, had seen various important people, and that she was reaching or coming to the conclusion that Lee was an agent of one sort or another for the United States Government.
Mr. Jenner. Did you respond to that?
Mr. Oswald. I do not recall, sir, that I did; if so, what my response might have been.
Mr. Jenner. You don't recall whether you responded, and if you did, you don't recall your response?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. All right, have you given us now all your conversations you had with your mother on the subject of whether your brother, that is up to November 22, 1963, as to whether your brother was or might have been an agent of the Government of the United States or an agent of any other government including that of Russia?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Mr. Jenner. As you received these letters, particularly the series of letters in 1961, up to the first of January, 1962, did there occur to you the thought that your brother was or might be an agent of the Russian Government?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; it most certainly did not.
Mr. Jenner. And at any time thereafter up to November 22, 1963?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; it has not.
Mr. Jenner. Did you have any contact with the State Department or did the State Department have any contact with you at any time while your brother was in Russia?
Mr. McKenzie. Mr. Jenner, I believe the record will show there was a previous telegram to Mr. Christian Herter who was Secretary of State at the time.
Mr. Jenner. Other than the telegram you testified about yesterday.
Mr. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Jenner. Did you have any conversations with your mother respecting her contacts, if any, with the State Department during the period of time your brother was in Russia?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir, I did not.
Mr. Jenner. Did you at any time prior to November 22, 1963, no, I will include that date, let's say at any time prior to December 1, 1963, have any view or suspicion that Marina Oswald was or might have been an agent of the Russian Government?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. In the letter of July 14, 1961, being Commission Exhibit 301, your brother expresses or states, makes some derogatory comments respecting Russia. Is that the first information or knowledge that you had of any change of attitude on his part?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir, it was not.
Mr. Jenner. Indicate the prior event that gave you some suspicion in that connection.
Mr. Oswald. If I understand it correctly, sir, whether or not had I had any prior indication prior to receiving the letter of July 14, 1961, that Lee was becoming——
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