to Marina?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir.
Mr. Jenner. And was he familiar with Marina's name?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; he was.
I might further add, sir, if I may, that the gentleman advised me he assumed that Lee was employed by the Government in some capacity in Russia, and not having any background or apparent background of Lee's reported reasons for going to Russia.
Mr. Jenner. And did you make any response to that, when his conversation was such as to indicate that he was not fully advised of the circumstances under which your brother had entered and remained in Russia?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I did—to the extent as I have already testified.
I believe perhaps at this point, if not this exact point, I referred him to the FBI Bureau and Mr. Fain.
Mr. Jenner. Did he ask you—did he inquire whether you had received correspondence from your brother, or the extent to which you had been in touch with each other?
Mr. Oswald. Not that I recall, sir.
Mr. Jenner. These are horribly leading questions—but I take it then his inquiries were largely directed toward, as a representative of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, obtaining information as to Marina, whom he understood to be the wife of your brother, who, in turn, was about to return to the United States with Marina, then a citizen of Russia?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. How long did this interview last?
Mr. Oswald. Approximately 30 minutes, sir.
Mr. Jenner. And your mind's eye is that he had a form, or he had some set questions which he was asking from a sheet of paper?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. Jenner. Rather than the typical FBI or Secret Service inquiry, in which the questions range, as mine have, for example, largely dependent upon what your answers to the previous questions were?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
I believe the gentleman did have some type of set form as to questions he was referring to when he spoke to me.
Mr. Jenner. Did he go into your family background, your own age, your occupation, and that sort of thing?
Mr. Oswald. I believe, sir; he just went into my background, as to the extent of my relation to Lee Harvey and Marina N. Oswald at that particular time.
Mr. Jenner. Would you describe this gentleman, please—his physical appearance?
Mr. McKenzie. If you recall.
Mr. Jenner. Yes, of course.
Mr. Oswald. To the best of my remembrance, I would describe this man to be average build, rather short, approximately 5-foot 9 or 5-foot 10, perhaps in his middle forties or early fifties. I do recall, sir; if I might further add, as the gentleman was leaving the house that night, I requested of him if it was possible for him to notify me when and if Marina's visa would be accepted or not, and he replied to me at that time that he could not do that. And I replied back to him that I guess I would know about it from the extent that if she arrived over here, it was approved.
Mr. Jenner. Have you now exhausted your recollection of this particular incident?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I have.
Mr. Dulles. Could I ask a question there?
Do you recall that at any time the State Department was in touch with you over this general period—that is, the period of your brother's stay in the Soviet Union, or his prospective return here?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; at no time was I aware of any member of the State Department being in contact with me.
And I might further add that at this particular time, after the Immigration and Naturalization agent was there, including my prior testimony as to the contacts with the FBI Bureau, these were the only times prior to his arrival I was in contact with any Government agency.
Mr. Jenner. Any agency of the Government of the United States?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; that is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Now, were you consciously in contact during any of that period up to November 22, 1963, with any agent or agency of any other government?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I was not.
And I might further add that no one else other than perhaps my close friends inquired as to my contact with Lee Harvey Oswald during that period.
Mr. Jenner. All right.
You have related to us an incident of your brother being interviewed by the FBI, and he reporting back to you either that evening or that same day of that interview. That is the one in which your brother reported to you that inquiry had been made of him as to whether he was an agent of any agency of the United States, and you responded—I have forgotten now just how you phrased it.
Mr. Oswald. "Well, don't you know, sir?"
Mr. Jenner. Now, in addition to that particular occasion, were there any instances in which you were directly advised or advised by your brother or by Mrs. Vada Oswald of any other interviews by any agent of the United States Government with your brother, after his return from Russia?
Mr. Oswald. I believe, sir, to the best of my remembrance on that question, that I was advised by Lee Harvey Oswald, after he and his wife took up residence on Mercedes Street in Fort Worth, that the FBI had contacted him and held an interview with Lee Harvey Oswald in their car in front of their apartment on Mercedes Street.
Mr. Jenner. When you say in their car, you mean the automobile of the agents?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct, sir.
Mr. Jenner. And was that approximately the middle of October—I mean the middle of August?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; it would have been approximately the middle of August 1962.
Mr. Jenner. Your brother reported that to you, did he?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. Jenner. Is that the first information you had about it—that is, did it come through your brother initially to you?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I had indication from Mr. Fain, when he called me at my office, inquiring as to where Lee was residing at that time, that they did want to speak to him.
Mr. Jenner. I see.
And I take it, then, that Mr. Fain had called you at your office, as you testified yesterday, shortly before this interview took place with your brother.
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Did you inquire of your brother about it, or did he volunteer it?
Mr. Oswald. He volunteered the information, sir.
Mr. Jenner. I have forgotten
