style="font-size:15px;"> Were you at all aware as to whether in October of 1962—aware of the fact, that for a short time Marina resided with Elena Hall?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I was not.
Mr. Jenner. And were you aware that there was for a short period of time some argument or fight between your brother and Marina which may have played a part in her visiting in the home of Elena Hall for a short time in October 1962?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I was not.
Mr. Jenner. I take it, sir, this is all completely new to you. You have no information on this subject.
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. You were not aware of anything of this nature at that time?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Mr. McKenzie described at length yesterday Mr. George De Mohrenschildt. As I recall it, your testimony was that you were unacquainted with this gentleman.
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Did you ever hear either your brother—were you present when either your brother or Marina discussed, or may have discussed Mr. De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I have not been.
Mr. Jenner. Are you aware of any threat that your brother uttered against or may have uttered against Mr. De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I am not aware of any threat.
Mr. Jenner. You are now aware of the photograph of your brother with the pistol on his hip and holding the rifle and also holding a sheaf of papers, are you not?
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; I am.
Mr. Jenner. And did you see that photograph by any chance at any time prior to November 22, 1963?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I have not. Or did not.
Mr. Jenner. You were unaware that it had been taken?
Mr. Oswald. That is correct.
Mr. Dulles. Did you know that your brother had either the gun or the pistol?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir.
Mr. Dulles. Or had acquired the gun or pistol?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Jenner. Did Marina, following November 22, 1963, herself also acquire the same antipathy that you have testified you had with respect to the Paines?
Mr. Oswald. I would be of the opinion, sir, that she has not or does not have the antipathy that I have to the Paines. However, I feel confident that she has followed my advice along that line, and not contacted Mr. or Mrs. Paine since November 23, 1963.
Mr. Jenner. All right, sir.
Mr. Dulles. Did you have the impression that Mrs. Paine had some ulterior motive, other than a good motive, desire to befriend Marina when she was in some distress, and to gain the chance to talk Russian with her?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I would not have an opinion of that, since I was not aware of the circumstances of how they did become acquainted, and consequently started living in her residence in Irving, Tex.
Mr. Dulles. I gathered from your previous testimony that your feeling, visceral feeling, related both to Mrs. Paine and to Mr. Paine.
Mr. Oswald. Yes, sir; it did. More so, if I might add, sir, to Mr. Paine than Mrs. Paine. But still I will include both of them in that answer.
Mr. Dulles. Did you know anything of Mr. Paine's background and affiliations?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. Dulles. You knew of Mrs. Paine's interest in learning Russian, did you not, and in Russian matters?
Mr. Oswald. Following November 22, 1963, this has been reported to me.
Mr. Dulles. By Marina?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I believe I read this in various reported news articles and magazines that she has stated this was her intention.
Mr. Dulles. And Marina did not talk to you about either of the Paines particularly?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; not to any extent.
Mr. Jenner. Your information with respect to the Paines, other than your meeting them, I believe you said, the evening of November 22, and later in the Inn of the Six Flags, is based primarily—in addition to that—on items you have read in the newspaper and that sort of thing?
Mr. Oswald. Sir, to fully understand the question, you referred to a meeting of Mr. and Mrs. Paine at the Inn of the Six Flags?
Mr. Jenner. I thought you said that Mrs. Paine—or was it Mrs. Ford in the Inn of the Six Flags?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; neither of the ladies you have mentioned were in the Inn of the Six Flags.
Mr. Jenner. Then your whole acquaintance with the Paines was your being introduced to them, is that correct?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; that is not correct.
Mr. Jenner. Would you relate your acquaintance with the Paines, and when it first arose?
Mr. Oswald. The first occasion that I met Mr. and Mrs. Paine, was at the Dallas police station on the night of November 22, 1963.
Mr. Dulles. May I ask there—had you heard about them before?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I had not.
Mr. Dulles. Hadn't even heard about them?
Mr. Oswald. No, sir; I had not. And my subsequent second meeting with Mr. and Mrs. Paine—and I might add my last meeting with Mr. and Mrs. Paine—was at their home in Irving, Tex., on the day that Mr. John Thorne, Mr. Jim Martin and myself—for the purpose of picking up Marina N. Oswald's and Lee Harvey Oswald's personal belongings. This was the only time that I have met them since the night of November 22, 1963.
Mr. Dulles. Did anything transpire on that occasion, when you were taking up Marina's and your brother's belongings?
Mr. Oswald. Perhaps, sir, the only thing that I recall that would perhaps be of some type of significance was that Mr. Paine, at the approximate time we were ready to depart from his home, called me over to the side and stated that he would like to know where Marina was staying, and they would like to be in contact with her. And my comment to him was that Marina was leaving the area, and that she was to be well taken care of. And at that time we left.
Mr. Dulles. Do you know whether the Paines have been in touch with Marina since that particular time, when you left the Paine's home?
Mr. Oswald. To my knowledge, sir, they have not in person been in contact with Marina Oswald. However, it is my understanding from Mr. Jim Martin and Mrs. Marina Oswald that Mrs. Paine has written a number of letters to Mrs. Marina Oswald during her stay at the Martin's home in Dallas, Tex.
Mr.
