And she never mentioned to me a particular figure that he would do anything like that. She evidently had it though or she wouldn't have made the threat to him.
Mr. Redlich. Other than the Nixon incident, and the Walker incident, Mrs. Oswald never related to you any other specific incident with regard to the attempt to take the life of anyone?
Mr. Martin. No.
Representative Ford. Did Mrs. Oswald, Marina, ever indicate to you her feeling toward guns; did she ever indicate any apprehension about having one in the house?
Mr. Martin. No.
Representative Ford. Related to rifles, pistols?
Mr. Martin. I have a 22 rifle in the house, for instance. Of course, she may never have seen it. But I don't believe the question ever came up at all.
Representative Ford. She never indicated to you that she had told Lee Harvey Oswald that she was apprehensive about his use of a gun or his having a gun in the household?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Mr. Martin, I would like to ask you whether Mrs. Oswald ever discussed with you any aspects of the life of Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald while they were in Russia.
Mr. Martin. Let's see now—she mentioned one time to both my wife and I that Lee had gone to Moscow, I believe, and an old boy friend called her up and she went out with him while Lee was gone.
Mr. Redlich. Did she indicate to you at that time the purpose of Lee's trip to Moscow?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Did she indicate to you whether she had told Lee about her going out with this old boy friend?
Mr. Martin. She said she did tell him.
Mr. Redlich. By the way, would you recall when Lee made this trip to Moscow?
Mr. Martin. No, I don't think she mentioned the date at all. She may have but I don't recall.
Mr. Redlich. Did she indicate in connection with this trip of Lee Oswald to Moscow that she herself subsequently went to Moscow while he was there?
Mr. Martin. No. I think she said he was gone one day or one night and came back the next day.
Mr. Redlich. So that on the basis of your recollection, if there was a trip in which Lee Oswald went to Moscow and she joined him there this was a different trip from the one you are talking about?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Redlich. Is that right?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Redlich. Just to make sure of this you say to the best of your recollection she said he went there for one day and returned?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Redlich. Can you think of any other aspects of their life in the Soviet Union that Marina discussed with you.
Mr. Martin. He used to like her aunt. Now, which aunt I don't know. Yes, I do. It is the aunt that is working as a secretary and her husband is on a pension. She has an aunt and an uncle by blood.
Now, the aunt's husband is on a pension, and the uncle's—The uncle is a lieutenant colonel in the Soviet Army.
Mr. Redlich. Now, the aunt and uncle that you say she liked very much, is this the aunt and uncle with whom she was living at the time she met Lee Oswald or is this a different aunt and uncle?
Mr. Martin. That was all very—always confusing to me because she wouldn't call the spouse of the aunt, for instance, her uncle, and I couldn't tell all the time which party she was talking about.
Mr. Dulles. These were both relatives to Marina, therefore, they were not married.
Mr. Martin. Well, no; they were not married to each other.
Mr. Dulles. That is what I mean, yes.
Mr. Martin. There were two couples, and the aunt in one couple and the uncle in the other couple. But she didn't refer to the opposite spouse as an aunt and uncle.
Mr. Redlich. Does the name Berlov refresh your recollection any?
Mr. Martin. Berlov?
Representative Ford. Did Marina ever indicate to you anything about her education, what school she attended?
Mr. Martin. No, just the school of pharmacy, and she compared her grade school or our grade school, which is, I guess similar to our grade school in high school or junior high, anyway.
Representative Ford. She only referred to the pharmacy training?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Representative Ford. As any special training she received?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Representative Ford. But she did discuss that with you?
Mr. Martin. Not at length. Just stated the fact that she had finished pharmacy school.
Representative Ford. But she didn't discuss any other training or schooling of a special nature.
Mr. Martin. No.
Representative Ford. Did she ever discuss any special training that Lee might have had while he was in Russia?
Mr. Martin. No.
Representative Ford. Did she ever discuss Lee's employment while he was in Russia?
Mr. Martin. Only that he was unhappy where he was working.
Representative Ford. Did she tell you where he worked, the kind of work he was doing?
Mr. Martin. I don't know, I have an idea it was in a factory of some kind, whether she told me that or whether it was an assumption, I don't know.
Mr. Redlich. Did she ever discuss their apartment, their living quarters in Minsk?
Mr. Martin. Yes, she said she had a one-room apartment, and had a balcony on it, and that as soon as the baby was born they were going to move to a larger one. I questioned her about that because I understand it is quite difficult to get more than a one-room apartment in Russia and she said, well, Lee was an American and he could get things the Russians couldn't get.
Mr. Redlich. Did Mrs. Oswald give you the impression that in general she and Lee Oswald had better treatment than other Russians?
Mr. Martin. Yes, and actually her past life even before she met Lee seemed a little bit strange to me, going to the opera, taking vacations and holidays as she says. I understand it is quite expensive to go to the opera, and she was making, what did she say, 45 rubles a month, and she would take a girl friend with her when she went to the opera.
Now, how much that cost, I don't know.
Mr. Redlich. Did you ever question her about her financial situation in Russia?
Mr.
