with her.
Mr. Redlich. Have you received any communication from her which raises questions as to whether you are still her business representative?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
The Chairman. Are we really concerned with that?
Mr. Redlich. Mr. Chairman, I intend to ask the witness why he was discharged in terms of whether it had anything to do with any business negotiations or anything to do with the testimony of Mrs. Oswald before this Commission.
The Chairman. You can ask him if it has anything to do with her testimony. We are not interested in her business affairs.
Mr. Redlich. I merely wanted to establish the fact of——
The Chairman. This thing can go on interminably with all this minutia and things that don't bear on what we are here to find out, whatever his business relations are with Mrs. Oswald, it seems to me is his business and not ours.
Mr. Redlich. Did Mrs. Oswald's attempt to terminate the relationship with you relate in any way to her testimony before this Commission?
Mr. Martin. No. There was no reason given.
Mr. Redlich. Did it relate in any way, in your opinion, to any information which you may have given to anyone else with regard to your knowledge of the facts concerning the assassination of President Kennedy.
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Do you know Jack Ruby?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Redlich. Would you tell us about your association with him?
Mr. Martin. Well, it is a very minor association. I had been working in the Statler Hotel in Dallas as assistant manager for maybe six months before I met him, and met him through some of the other people in the hotel.
Mr. Dulles. What year was this?
Mr. Martin. About 1955.
Mr. Dulles. I just want to get the general area.
Mr. Martin. 1955 or 1956. And as a club manager, I was club manager in Dallas also, and didn't associate with him at all, even on a bilateral communication through the clubs. But it was just a nodding acquaintance, you might say. I knew him by his first name. He knew me by my first name and we spoke when we saw each other and I think I have been in his place twice.
Mr. Redlich. Do you recall the approximate dates of those visits?
Mr. Martin. Let's see, once in 1962. I had some gentlemen from New Orleans with me. They were visiting Dallas on business at the Inn of the Six Flags, and they wanted to see the Carousel.
Mr. Dulles. That is what you mean by his place?
Mr. Martin. Yes. So I called Jack Ruby and asked if it would be all right if I brought them down. We stayed approximately an hour and a half.
The other time was during the daytime, let's see, as it was then, I had—I was walking in that area and just stopped in to say hello. The club was closed at that time, not closed for business but it was before opening hours.
Mr. Redlich. Those are the only times you have been in Jack Ruby's business establishment?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Redlich. Do you consider yourself a friend of his?
Mr. Martin. No. An acquaintance.
Mr. Redlich. Have you gone out socially?
Mr. Martin. No. He came out to the Inn one time with some little gimmick. It is called a Detwist Board. It is quite a piece of plywood about like this with a round plate on the bottom of it, seated in ball bearings and you are supposed to stand on this thing to twist, and came out to ask me to see who to ask at the park to merchandise it, the Six Flags over Texas Amusement Park, and I told him. Now, whether he went over there or not, I don't know.
Mr. Redlich. I understand that you have had a conversation with an aid of General Walker concerning the General Walker incident.
Would you tell the Commission about that?
Mr. Martin. They contacted us——
Mr. Redlich. Who is "they"?
Mr. Martin. General Walker's aide, Mr. Moore or Morse, a tall thin gentleman, about 55 or 60, and wanted actually an interview with Marina which we didn't think was necessary.
They came out to John Thorne's office and we sat and talked. They were of the opinion—what they were trying to do was find out who else was involved—this was right after the announcement was made in the paper about Lee Oswald shooting at Walker. They were trying to find out who else was involved because General Walker is still in fear of his life.
Mr. Dulles. This was some time before the 22d.
Mr. Martin. No, it was after.
Mr. Dulles. After November 22?
Mr. Martin. Yes, sir. This was after the announcement was made in the paper that——
Mr. Dulles. Oh, yes.
Mr. Martin. That Lee Oswald had attacked him.
Mr. Dulles. The actual attack was in April. This was after the newspaper announcement.
Mr. Martin. Yes.
The Chairman. After the newspaper announcements that Lee had tried to kill him which was after the assassination?
Mr. Martin. That is correct.
Mr. Dulles. Yes.
Mr. Martin. And they just wanted verification actually that or to try to get verification as to how many people were involved, and we told them that there was just one person involved.
Mr. Redlich. At the time did you ask Marina about this?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Redlich. And this is what she told you?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Dulles. The persons involved in the Walker incident?
Mr. Martin. Yes. She said that Lee did it alone without any help. There was no one with him.
Mr. Redlich. Mr. Martin, I have at this time no further questions other than those which may be suggested by a perusal of the records which you have forwarded to this Commission.
As we indicated in the brief recess earlier, Mr. Dulles is able to be here at 9 o'clock this evening, and I would envisage then a very brief session at which time your testimony would be completed.
Mr. Martin. All right.
Mr. Redlich. Are there any questions that anyone would like to ask of Mr. Martin at this time?
The Chairman. Would you like to ask your client any questions?
Mr.
