pictures they saw of her she was wearing different kind of clothes. She had a different hair-do, and so forth. Did you have anything to do with that?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Representative Ford. What was the purpose of that?
Mr. Martin. Just to change her general appearance so she wouldn't be recognized when she went out.
Representative Ford. Did she agree to this, was she willing to do it?
Mr. Martin. Yes. She didn't like her haircut particularly.
Representative Ford. She liked the previous way it was?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Representative Ford. How about the change in clothes, the type that she wore?
Mr. Martin. Well, of course, that was for the better.
Representative Ford. Did she like it?
Mr. Martin. She liked the clothes, yes.
Representative Ford. That is all.
Mr. Martin. She tried makeup but that didn't work, because she couldn't stand makeup.
Mr. Redlich. We previously asked you, Mr. Martin, about various people that Marina Oswald knew in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and you have indicated the extent to which you knew them personally and the extent to which they had contacted Marina Oswald during the time she was in your home.
Are there any other friends of Marina Oswald's rather than those I have asked you about that you—who attempted to contact her while she was living at your home?
Mr. Martin. Ilya, I believe it is Mamatav or Mamantov—he is of the Dallas Police Department and he has asked of her how she is.
Mr. Redlich. Has he ever seen her, to the best of your knowledge other than in an official capacity?
(At this point, Congressman Ford left the hearing room.)
Mr. Martin. Well, one time when we went to Sears, Sears Roebuck in Dallas, and walked into the store he was walking and practically ran into her, and they said hello and passed the time of day and he left.
Mr. Redlich. There were no other friends of hers that you know about who attempted to see her or call her while she was living at your home?
Other than those we have already discussed on the record? If I mentioned the name of Mr. or Mrs. Teofil Meller—the first name is Teofil, the last name is Meller.
Mr. Martin. Well, there was someone that called the office one day and had a rather odd name, was that Meller, and said that Marina wanted to talk to her, and we took it just for a crank call. She wouldn't leave the number or anything like that. I am not sure whether that was Meller.
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(At this point, Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)
Mr. Martin. There was no telephone number involved.
Mr. Redlich. You have discussed at length the attempt of Ruth Paine to see Mrs. Oswald. Did Mike Paine ever attempt to see Mrs. Oswald while she was living at your home?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Have you ever talked to Michael Paine?
Mr. Martin. No. When we went over to get the clothes, for instance, he stood back—I don't believe he said anything at all. It was a very odd situation. He was helping us move things but he didn't say anything.
Mr. Redlich. Did Marina ever discuss Michael Paine with you?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Only Ruth Paine but not Michael Paine?
Mr. Martin. Yes. She said they were separated.
Mr. Redlich. Mr. Martin, did Marina ever discuss with you her husband's desire to go to Cuba?
Mr. Martin. She said that he had wanted to go to Cuba because he wanted—because he wasn't happy in Russia and he wasn't happy in the United States and then she said he wouldn't be happy in Cuba either.
Mr. Redlich. Did she ever discuss with you a plan to hi-jack a plane?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Did she ever indicate what steps he was taking to get to Cuba?
Mr. Martin. No. Not at all.
Mr. Redlich. Do you have any knowledge at all of any plans he was making to get to and live in Cuba?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Mr. Ford has asked you about the conversations which Marina had with Lee Oswald at the Dallas Police Station on November 23 and you have replied. I would like to ask you about any—your knowledge about any conversation which Robert Oswald had with Lee Oswald while he was in the custody of the Dallas Police prior to his death?
Mr. Martin. I have no knowledge at all of that.
Mr. Redlich. You have never had any conversations with Robert Oswald concerning his conversations with Lee Oswald.
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Have you ever talked to Mrs. Marguerite Oswald concerning any conversations which she had with her son while he was in the custody of the Dallas police?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Have you had any conversations at all with Mrs. Marguerite Oswald concerning the facts surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy?
Mr. Martin. No, I don't think any direct conversation, I mean between she and I. I was present at times out there at the Inn when she was talking to this person or that person. But I don't believe I have had any direct conversation with her at all.
Mr. Redlich. Did Mrs. Marguerite Oswald ever discuss with you an incident concerning a photograph which was supposed to have been shown to her by agents of the FBI on November 23, 1963.
Mr. Martin. No, I have heard that through news media but that is the only place I heard it.
Mr. Redlich. You have no direct knowledge of that incident yourself. Did Marina Oswald ever discuss that incident with you?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Did Marina Oswald ever discuss with you her mother-in-law's allegations that Lee Oswald was acting as an agent of the United States Government?
Mr. Martin. No. She mentioned only one incident where the FBI came to their house when they were in Oak Cliff, and they took him down to the car, I believe he was about ready to sit down to dinner when they arrived, and they took him down to the car and talked to him, and Marina was upset because dinner was spoiling, and I think that is the only reference she has made to anything like that.
Mr. Redlich. She has never discussed with you the specific claims of Marguerite Oswald in that respect?
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