yet totally reconnected with who they truly are, and are still seeing their surroundings and their path from the somewhat limited viewpoint of who they were in their last personality on Earth.
Can I invite questions at this point, please?
David: Joseph, in this between-state, where does God fit in …the God-within? You say that the soul is ‘managed’ by the angelic host and that the angelic host converses with the soul’s God-within to figure out what is best for that soul…
Joseph: The soul at that point is, strangely, in its almost purest God-form because, in order to get what it wants, it has relinquished most of its soul memories and most of its earthly-life memories. However, there is integrated with it – as a ‘polluted’ expression of God – the subconscious, almost sub-atomic structure of who it was, and that retains it as the sum of its memories without it consciously having those memories, if that makes sense. In other words, were that structure not there, the soul would be complete God-energy …but God-energy without the individual imprint running through it. So, the individual imprint runs through it to maintain its individuality, but that imprint is at its most basic form because it is not influenced by the will or the memory of the soul with regard to earthly lives or spiritual lives at that point.
The God-within is at its strongest, but the God-within will not influence even at that stage – except through other manifestations of the God-within [reference to the angel host] who are attempting to reach that soul consciously and influence it …by using their own free will. So, the soul is almost in its purest form, but it has activated a process, activated a desire and so must travel through that desire to get to the next desire or activation, which also has to be free will.
Does that make sense?
David: I think so, yes. In a sense it has been stripped back and its memories and so forth, up to that point, have been put to one side by volition, and, once that process has started, it has to be seen through to the end – the circle, in effect.
Joseph: Yes, and this is to do with the creative nature of ourselves as spiritual beings that there has to be ‘due process’ in everything that we do. It is the due process that was interrupted by the effects of the Fall. In normal due process you have an opening out to a desire …you have a formation of that desire …you have the experience that is brought to you by that desire …and then you have a relinquishing of that desire so that a new desire can be opened up and formed.
Because of the Fall, the normal course of creative process, as applied to an angelic being, only goes three-quarters of the way – in that you cannot dispense totally with the creation you have expressed in order to experience your desire within. There is a minefield – almost a ‘rubbish area’ or an area of abused matter – that cannot return back into the creative matrix to be used again. So, that surrounds the soul, and the soul desires to go through that process. The problem is when it gets to Earth that process cannot be totally concluded on a physical level because of the effects of the Fall. Then you have, around that soul, the rubbish or the accumulation that is linked to that soul that religions describe as ‘karma’.
Does that make sense?
David: Yes.
Jane: Can people reincarnate directly from the Lower Astral, or do they have to evolve to a certain state in order to have that spiritual dialogue as to where to go next?
Joseph: The Lower Astral is a sphere of intense desire – intense self-desire. It is an area of preservation. …The soul wishes to continue …wishes to stake its claim …wishes to have its own personal territory …wishes more …wishes all aspects of creation for itself. That draws to itself a great deal of heavier molecules, and the soul has to first come out of that state of mind before it can be influenced again as to whether it returns to the Earth or not.
So, can it incarnate directly from the Lower Astral?
No, because it has to go through due process, and it is encased in a world of want …and desire …and need …and anger …and violence that will not allow, at that stage, the intercession of other angelic beings in order to create a new path, a new incarnation and a new physical body. The molecules are far too heavy, far too clustered, far too sharp and far too angular.
If you were to look at them, the molecules that surround the souls in the Lower Astral are dense, are jagged, are sharp and are a …I don’t want to say ‘an aberration’… they are a further distortion of the way that things should be. The molecules around your earthly body are distorted to a certain extent by the effects of the Fall, but in the Lower Astral there is an amplification of all that is wrong on Earth taken into a spiritual (but not ‘spiritual’ in the sense of being ‘blessed’) level.
Therefore, the soul has to extricate itself by becoming tired of that process and then elevate itself so that souls can surround it, can minister to it and can give it the choice. Now, there is the choice at this point and, although those souls cannot incarnate directly from the Lower Astral, they can, having elevated themselves, be taken into the cleansing spheres if they wish to continue their journey without reincarnating again.
So, it is possible for a soul to come from the Lower Astral to learn, to grow, to be blessed with Light, and then to decide to move onwards – just as those spirits from the Earth Plane have decided to move onwards, having had enough of the experience that is bringing them suffering. In that sense they can be ‘born again’ into the spiritual realms, but they cannot go the route of Lower Astral to physical incarnation because they first have to come up into the sphere where they can be talked to and be given the choice through free will. Then they have to make that choice – as any other soul has that has come directly from the Earth plane.
Does that make sense?
Jane: Perfect, thank you.
Tony: Joseph, when you are in the ‘queue’ waiting for the Lords of Karma to place you, and you have already decided what aspects you want to address in the forthcoming physical lifetime, if in that queue advisory spirits persuade you that you can elevate yourself and bypass going through the same old things again – does that mean you have relinquished those ideas you joined the queue for hoping to work through on a physical plane?
Joseph: It means that you have come to the point where you are willing to examine them. For many souls in that nebulous queue, there is no question about it: ‘I am going back to the Earth. I wish to examine certain areas of my life, and I wish to re-immerse myself in the aspects of the earthy life that I have found most challenging …most pleasurable …or which I did not feel I had brought to a successful conclusion during my last life.’ So you have many, many souls who are blinkered in that respect.
What I have attempted to describe this morning is a process whereby enough spiritual logic and balanced argument can be delivered to the soul in stasis to allow it to at least acknowledge that it needs to examine its reasons for re-entering the challenges it is about to re-enter. This inflow of Light goes on at the most etheric level because, having relinquished their spiritual life as an ongoing process and having decided to reincarnate on Earth, they place themselves in a magnetic process. They are pulled into a process that will inevitably take them back to the Earth.
The change of attitude comes about by addressing the barest hint of structure around the soul …by infusing that soul with an almost subliminal change of attitude …by addressing the God-within still encased within that process of needing to reincarnate …and by impressing on the very loose structure of the soul, at that point, enough argument to consider that, at the subliminal shell-level of the soul, a change takes place.
